ich relaps

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[dakota's dad]

hi all,

I have been fighting with ich in my tank. I can remove and treat the fish and when I return them to the tank they get it right back. I have been looking for a cleaner shrimp but nobody (including Lewiston & Walla Walla) has been able to get them.


Does any body have one they could spare or that I could replace at a later time :?:


Or does anybody have any other suggestions?


PLEASE HELP

PAUL

[Nate C.]

I remember hearing that Ich tends to concentrate at the lower levels of the tank.  You may try doing water changes siphoning from as low in the tank as you can.  Also, are you feeding garlic at all?  Supposedly that helps too.

[Rico]

Ich is a parasite that has a life cycle that requires a host (fish).  I do not remember the exact duration of the life cycle (est 15 to 21 days).  The best way is to remove all fish, treat them in a hospital tank with copper type meds and let the display tank run the length of the cycle so they die off.  In most of our tanks that is not possible so we have to treat the fish in the tank.  The best tool that a few of us have found it the Kent Marine RXP.  It is an organic extract (Oleoresin Capsicum) from peppers.  This stuff creates a heavier slime coat on the fish and the ich has trouble attaching to the fish, thus it cannot feed and continue the life cycle, so it dies off.  You have to be sure to use it as directed for the duration directed.  It can cause problems with some invertebrates so use with caution.

Rick

[angelscrx]

When I had ich in my tank I dosed vitamin C and fed garlic with the food.  The vitamin c helps the fish resists disease and it also helps with the slime coating from what I understand.  The garlic gets the fish to eat healthy too but I am not sure about the slime coating but if Nate says so I believe him.

[dakota's dad]

Im smart enough to know you dont put cloves of garlic in the tank. but can anybody recommend a garlic sorce?

[Nate C.]

Im smart enough to know you dont put cloves of garlic in the tank. but can anybody recommend a garlic sorce?

We got some from one of the fish shops in Spokane.  I'll look tonight and find the name of it.  I'm not sure it helps with the slime coating, just know it's supposed to help them kick ich somehow.

[Rico]

I went to the grocery store and bought a small jar of fine minced garlic.  Removed some of the liquid from the jar and soaked the fish food in it.  The fish seemed to like it and it was cheap and local.

Rick

[dakota's dad]

thanks for the info i will try the minced first and if i dont get any results i will proceed from there.

I am still looking for a cleaner shrimp if anybody hears of one please let me know.

[Jeff]

if you're really desperate (and rich) aquatropics has a couple in.

[Rico]

From my past experiences with Ich, Garlic is hype and a waste of time.  Cleaner shrimp will help in a mild case and really is necessary just as a everyday maintenance item for the fish, however not all fish will take to a cleaner shrimp.  If the ich is a major case you pretty much have lost the fish unless you can get it to a hospital tank and kill the ich with a copper based med.  If you catch the ich early and you cannot get the fish out of the tank, RXP will work well.  It also works good when you get a new fish and it has ich, put some in the shipping bag for a while, then net the fish and toss the water.

Rick

[tyler5g]

Do you have a UV on the tank?  If you need one I have a used 9w which would be about the right size for that tank.  Just needs a new bulb and its good to go.  That might help.

[dakota's dad]

no i dont.

what would you want for it?

[dakota's dad]

http://www.saltwaterfish.com has cleaner shrimp for $1.99 limit one per order but a min. of $79 order & a $9.99 box charge.

if i was having better luck with fish it would be a good deal but where i only want to add a shrimp right know that would be one expencive shrimp.

[The Apprentice]

Ultimately Paul Rick is right and Has given the ONLY guaranteed way to remove the ICH parasite from your fish. However since its in your entire tank, We should all practice quarantining. I have a suggestion over your thought process of the cleaner shrimp. Please look in the Neon Gold Gobys,Elacatinus sp. These are just like the Blue neon gobies but they have been seen to make vast improvements with Ich clean up on fish.Please read this excerpt from live aquaria."The head and lower body of the Neon Gold Goby, also called the Yellow Prow Goby, and Yellowstripe Cleaning Goby, are yellow. The dorsal body is black with a horizontal gold stripe.
It should be housed in a 10 gallon or larger aquarium. Rarely will it become aggressive to wards other fish, but is territorial, and will fight with its own kind unless they are a mated pair. It is a hardy cleaner species that will service tank mates, cleaning them of parasites, which may help control some diseases, such as Ich.

It feeds on a variety of live and frozen brine shrimp, frozen mysid shrimp, table shrimp, and frozen food preparations for carnivores. If kept in a reef tank, the Neon Gold Goby should be fed once a day.

It is common for the Neon Gold Goby to spawn in an aquarium, laying its eggs in a crevice or empty shell."
Now with all this I will add Paul I have keep pairs of these in my 3 tanks since day one they are In my humble opinion Better cleaners than the wrasses and the shrimp..The fish grow very accustom to them and I have a pair that Has spawned in my sps tank..But combined with these guys and UV you may get the disease knock down and maintainable. But for 100% you will have to go Thur something as what Rick has suggested..
Hope this was not to long and boring just saying been there done that...Jeff

[dakota's dad]

well i talked mike out of one of his cleaner shrimp out of his display tank at at. for the low low price of $27.

I have seen both of my tangs being cleaned by her ( I know its a her because she has eggs ). I have not seen any spots on the manderain lately and thats all I have for fish in it right now.