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April meeting 4/14 @ 7PM - Grant's house

Laura and Jim will be hosting the May meeting this Saturday the 12th and it will be the usual of food, drinks, raffle and fun.
 
Doors will be open at 6:00 pm for social talk and the meeting will start at 7:00.  Parking gets a little tight and the city says you can't park on 4th but there is a parking lot a block away.   Meeting is usually held in the backyard so feel free to bring your favorite lawn chair, weather permitting of course.

If you need address/directions, contact a club member.

Best if you park at Mini Mall (where the spaghetti establishment use to be)
 
You will get to see his new frag tank set up in the making.
 
Hope to see you there!

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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2006, 01:53:57 am »

Well Kyle,
I would start checking for anything that may be trapping gunk. I have even heard of live rock "going bad" and releasing phosphate or nitrates into the water. Maybe start by taking one piece out at a time and then letting the system stableize for a few days or a week and then check again.
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2006, 04:36:16 pm »

Actually people I tested my Magnisium last night and it was at 1200ppm which is surprisingly a little low.  It is supposed to be between 1300-1500ppm.   So I added some and it was not close to being enough.  My calcium was at 300ppm and my alkalinity was high.   I dumped a mixture of Mg in this morning to boost it up.  I added what little Calcium I had...I need to buy some more powder.

Will keep you posted on the results later.
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2006, 11:22:32 pm »

Quote from: "Kylem"
Actually people I tested my Magnisium last night and it was at 1200ppm which is surprisingly a little low.  It is supposed to be between 1300-1500ppm.   So I added some and it was not close to being enough.  My calcium was at 300ppm and my alkalinity was high.   I dumped a mixture of Mg in this morning to boost it up.  I added what little Calcium I had...I need to buy some more powder.

Will keep you posted on the results later.


I think there's some correction factor for Nitrate based on pH or Alk. of the water (if I'm remembering correctly, if not someone please tell me).  If your Alk. is off, it may be skewing your readings.
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2006, 01:55:37 am »

Well Kyle I am sorry I don't have much more to add I see you doing the water changes and you have proved you rodi water is good, If i was in your shoes with My tank this way my anwser would be to do water changes, I probably done more than any one being the water change freek!!! That I am, and free water  :lol:
But small 20 gallon changes weekly I can't see anything more than that Giving you tank the time and not putting to much more shock to it. To see if it will ballence out...I hope it does...Jeff
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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2006, 06:05:55 am »

Kyle,

Along the line from what Les said.  You very likely have something in your tank that has accumulated a lot of organics that is creating the nitrate problem.  The high organic load is too much for the denitrifying bacteria in the live rock to handle.  The garbage can full of oolitic sand may be part of the problem.

If this was my tank I would do the following things.

1) Crank up the skimmer so it is skimming very wet with a lot of skimmate.  Like a gallon or more a day.

2) Install a particle filter to trap all that goes through the overflows.  I use a filter floss made from quilt batting material from the sewing supply store.  A lot of other people use filter socks.  Either will work, just catch everything you can.

3)  Get a powerhead like a maxi jet 1200 and use it to thoroughly blow all the sediment you can out of the hole, crack and crevasses in the rocks.  This will be caught in the filter floss/sock.  Do this every other day or so for a couple of weeks to get as much out as possible.

4) Take the denitrifying sand bed out of the system.

5) Add a fresh load of activated carbon and change out often.  The frequency depends on how much you are using and if it is a bag hanging in the sump or in a flow through chamber.

6) Continue with the frequent water changes.

7) Feed the fish every other day or less, use dry food or rinsed and patted dry frozen food.

Cool To bump up the magnesium, get 1 or 2 cartons of Epson Salts.  It is magnesium sulfate and will get you back up to where you should be.

9) Have your water checked by someone else with known good test kits to validate if your test kits are accurate.

This should get your tank back on track.

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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2006, 09:53:22 pm »

A good read from my friend Elmo..

http://www.reefland.com/forum/reef-aquariums/7336-need-expert-advice-magnesium.html

anyone that can ask, can usually learn..


If it does not hit the nail on the head, it may give you a few more ideas..
I hope this helps.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2006, 04:57:54 am »

Okay I added some Mg additive I had and it helped a little and even the coral seemed a little better.   My big skimmer is out of commision and I have my old one running.  The diaphram on the air pump went out and I replaced the broken one but now my pump makes hammering noise like something was loose or broken...not sure what but cant get it fixed so I ordered a less exspenive american made one.  If that don't work I am going to use an air compressor.

I won't see much result change until I get my skimmer back online.

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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2006, 06:30:29 pm »

Okay here is the latest.
I purchased a new nitrate and phosphate test kits from Dr. Fosters instead of from my LFS.  What a difference....Nitrates less than 5ppm and phosphates 0.6 mg/l.    I put my phosphate reactor back online and ordered some more phosban media.   I got my Mg back up to where is supposed to be and added some more Calcium.
Looks like I am headed in the right direction.
My old test kit still show 20 ppm for nitrate not mater what the level was at.  The test kit was only 4 months old.  My LFS boasted about buying from him because he sold products that were not out of date.   I don't believe a word he says anymore....he is just trying to make another buck and is just relying on what his suppliers tell him.   I got one of those Coral life super luft pumps to put on my big skimmer...well I can't believe how quiet and small it is for how much air it puts out.   Not quite enough air so I am buying two pumps for less than half the price I got the other one for...and NO NOISE!
Hey Les  any way we could modify the skimmer cup to a smaller neck at the top.  I think the air could help push the skimmate through the pipe better...Whats your thoughts on that?
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2006, 06:40:21 pm »

Kyle,
Couldn't agree more about the Luft airpumps.  Much quieter, half the cost, and more air than the whitewater LT-15 I fryed.  If anyone need an airpump, I can highly reccommend this one. Good to hear you got the problems staightened out.
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2006, 11:47:22 pm »

Kyle glad to hear that everything is coming back in line.  Keep us posted thanks
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