phos and calcium issues!!!

Laura and Jim will be hosting the May meeting this Saturday the 12th and it will be the usual of food, drinks, raffle and fun.
 
Doors will be open at 6:00 pm for social talk and the meeting will start at 7:00.  Parking gets a little tight and the city says you can't park on 4th but there is a parking lot a block away.   Meeting is usually held in the backyard so feel free to bring your favorite lawn chair, weather permitting of course.

If you need address/directions, contact a club member.

Best if you park at Mini Mall (where the spaghetti establishment use to be)
 
You will get to see his new frag tank set up in the making.
 
Hope to see you there!

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[The Apprentice]

Thanks for the postings Rick & Ed and all  
Rick i had no idea Oceanic had Hi posphate levels  :?
Thanks for the tip. I may try some IO in my 75 tank and see how it preforms...Jeff

[Ed]

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=407011

I need to tell you Habib is the owner of Salifert.   Habib tested Oceanic Salt, here are different oppinnions.
hope this helps,
Ed

[The Apprentice]

Very good link Ed now the 500$ question what salt are you using??

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=407011

I need to tell you Habib is the owner of Salifert.   Habib tested Oceanic Salt, here are different oppinnions.
hope this helps,
Ed

[Ed]

Oceanic

[The Apprentice]

What is you ph? and do you dose Buffer?

Oceanic

[Rico]

Here is a link with a table showing the differences between the essential elements in the salt mixes and comparing to natural sea water.
http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/seasaltmixes/l/aa090503b.htm

And this link is the study that was performed to generate the data in the tables in the above link.  Note how this test was conducted to ensure errors were minimized and results were repeatable.   And finally look at the phosphate levels shown in table lll, this is one of the main reasons the majority of long term reefers use IO salt.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010303215133/www.animalnetwork.com/fish2/aqfm/1999/mar/features/1/default.asp

Rick

[The Apprentice]

Rick I didn't see anything on Oceanic salt am I just missing it can you help thanks. FWITW I do like the lower phosphate levels But what do you think of the higher Ammonia- Nitrogen (NH4+:N) levels Is it noticeable :?:

Here is a link with a table showing the differences between the essential elements in the salt mixes and comparing to natural sea water.
http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/seasaltmixes/l/aa090503b.htm

And this link is the study that was performed to generate the data in the tables in the above link.  Note how this test was conducted to ensure errors were minimized and results were repeatable.   And finally look at the phosphate levels shown in table lll, this is one of the main reasons the majority of long term reefers use IO salt.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010303215133/www.animalnetwork.com/fish2/aqfm/1999/mar/features/1/default.asp

Rick

[Rico]

This report was compiled prior to Oceanic Salt coming on the market.  As for amoniaa, it is usually off gassed or processed by the biological filter or consumed by Calurpa, whereas Phosphate is not easily removed.  Additionally a heavy fish load such as yours will produce a heck of a lot more ammonia from their excrement than what is present in the salt.

Rick

[The Apprentice]

Rick, what do you feed your corals? I have used DT which I am finding out is contributing  hair algea bloom. I have been  trying Bio Plankton and marine plankton      and just started with kent marine phytoplex. What else contributes phosphate besides water. What have you found to be the best for  removing phosphates.

[Nate C.]

Rick, what do you feed your corals? I have used DT which I am finding out is contributing  hair algea bloom. I have been  trying Bio Plankton and marine plankton      and just started with kent marine phytoplex. What else contributes phosphate besides water. What have you found to be the best for  removing phosphates.

We quit using DT's due to that same problem.  We have had pretty good luck with the dry algae in the lettuce clip approach.  

As for phospate removal, the best way is water changes.

[Rico]

Jeff,

When I feed the corals, which is not often, I often use PhytoPlan or Marine Snow.  I may use the stuff twice a month, if they are lucky.  About once a month they also get a cocktail of Marc Weiss Spectra Vital and Black Powder.  It helps them color up.  As for removing phosphates, I use a Phosban reactor filled with Rowaphos media.  It seems to be working very well.

Rick

[Ed]

Rowa Phos is a media used to remove Phosphates.   It has a really good reputation.   It can be put in media bags and placed in sump or a more effective way is to put it in a reactor.    It should be rinsed and added slowly or it will raise the Alkalinity in your tank very fast.  If Alk raises fast you can put your animals into shock.   I read the statement from Deltec but still believe if Alk is raised too fast or sudden changes to tanks parimeters your animals do go into a shock.   Here is a link with more information about  this product.

http://www.deltecusa.us/Media/_info_ROWAPHOS.html

I hope this helps,
Ed

[The Apprentice]

Thanks Rick I am going to try to do some more testing for Phosphate. We test our cooling tower water at the plant for Ortho Phosphate wich is PO4 i do belive this is the same phosphate that we have in salt water tanks the last time I did this test i had only .02 PPM in my 150 tank. I know i have pretty clean RODI so no phosphate worries there so i belive the only way i can bring it in is Food or/and salt mixes Is there any other means i am missing? Rick Can you tell me a little more about your cocktail of Marc Weiss Spectra Vital and Black Powder. I have never herd of it nor seen it?

Jeff,

When I feed the corals, which is not often, I often use PhytoPlan or Marine Snow.  I may use the stuff twice a month, if they are lucky.  About once a month they also get a cocktail of Marc Weiss Spectra Vital and Black Powder.  It helps them color up.  As for removing phosphates, I use a Phosban reactor filled with Rowaphos media.  It seems to be working very well.

Rick

[Ed]

Thanks Rick I am going to try to do some more testing for Phosphate. We test our cooling tower water at the plant for Ortho Phosphate wich is PO4 i do belive this is the same phosphate that we have in salt water tanks the last time I did this test i had only .02 PPM in my 150 tank. I know i have pretty clean RODI so no phosphate worries there so i belive the only way i can bring it in is Food or/and salt mixes Is there any other means i am missing? Rick Can you tell me a little more about your cocktail of Marc Weiss Spectra Vital and Black Powder. I have never herd of it nor seen it?

Jeff,

When I feed the corals, which is not often, I often use PhytoPlan or Marine Snow.  I may use the stuff twice a month, if they are lucky.  About once a month they also get a cocktail of Marc Weiss Spectra Vital and Black Powder.  It helps them color up.  As for removing phosphates, I use a Phosban reactor filled with Rowaphos media.  It seems to be working very well.

Rick

PO4 is the same phosphate.  Again, anyone using a Phosphate remover introduce it slowly and prerinse it very good.   Please think of it like when you had bio balls.  
 Anthing that is left uneaten, rock that has gone from one environment to next will promote Phospates, corals decaying, of course dead animals such as snails, fish, other invertebrates anything left dead creats phospates...I hope this helps
Ed